Looked At Bikes Yesterday

Posted by on Oct 5, 2009 in Bicycle Parts, Bike Shops, Blog, Cycling For Beginners | 10 comments

I had a bunch of time to kill yesterday afternoon so I went to a local bike shop and looked at some bikes. I’ve gone in several times up until now to casually look at bikes but since I’m kinda in the market for one I went in looking for specific price points and component setups. Here’s what I found at one particular shop.

$500-$850

Decisions, Decisions

Decisions, Decisions

These were clearly your beginner level bikes with all of them featuring 8-speed Shimano Sora and Tiagra component groups. I have a 7-speed now so moving up to a 8-speed doesn’t seem like that much of an improvement. All of them had no-name brakes and the shifting mechanisms aren’t nearly as functional as something with Shimano 105 or above shifters. Bikes in this range included the Trek 1.1 or 1.2 and some of the low-end Specialized Allez. Like I said, these looked to be beginner level bikes and not something I wanted to get.

$1000-$1500

I would classify these as intermediate level bikes and most likely the price point I’ll be targeting if I have to buy brand new. Most of these bikes came with at least 105 components with some variances here and there in shifters, brakes, or derailleurs and were all aluminum frames with carbon fiber forks. For instance, you may see a bike with 105 shifters, derailleurs, and cranks but no-name brakes. Or 105 everywhere except perhaps an Ultegra front or rear derailleur. The hard part was finding the combination of components I liked on a bike that was the right size and color. I found what I thought was a great deal ($1199) on a Specialized Allez in Saxo Bank colors with 105 everywhere except the brakes.

$1600-$3000

The bikes in this range are what I consider geared towards advanced level riders. You start getting into carbon fiber rigs with Ultegra or better components and nicer wheel sets. Personally, I think when you’re paying this much money you’re paying for weight savings more than anything and with somebody like me riding one of them I just don’t think the extra cost is worth it. If you know what I mean. Granted these are some nice bikes but I believe these are out of my price range and, truthfully, think that I probably weigh too much to be riding carbon fiber.

$3000 ++++

Either Pro level bikes or bikes for folks with too much money who think they’re Pros after watching the Tour de France. You name it and these bikes had it. I actually caressed (?) a Trek Madone 6.9 and just had to shake my head at how light it was. There’s no doubt it weighed less than the bag I take to work everyday. At $8,000 for the one I fondled I’m not surprised they aren’t flying out the door in today’s economy. They had a nice group of ten or so that were just standing there for show.

That’s certainly not a detailed synopsis of what you get for the money but I think you can basically see how it’s broken out by price. It seemed to me that you got more for your money with Specialized than with Trek (at least in the intermediate level price range). They had Cervelos but I can’t even afford to walk down that aisle.

Bianchi Green = Yuk!

Bianchi Green = Yuk!

This particular shop did have a used/demo section that had a nice Bianchi with a full Ultegra setup for $1,350 but for some reason I just can’t get over two things with Bianchis. First, I hate the traditional green color most of their bikes are painted in (makes me want to gag). Second, is that I can’t help but think ‘woman’s bike’ when I say or see ‘Bianchi’. I don’t know why. I don’t even have an ex-girlfriend called Bianca.

Call me picky but color is somewhat important to me. The low-end beginner bikes featured a lot of red (on the Specialized) and Trek has some funky looking bright color schemes I don’t like. Not until you get into the $1000-$1500 price point do you see some imagination with the paint jobs like the Saxo Bank setup on the Allez I liked or an awesome blacked-out scheme on another Allez that totally blew me away. Even at the intermediate level I still didn’t like the Trek paint jobs.

Here’s two questions for my readers:

1. What did you look for when you purchased a bike (components, colors, prices, etc.)?
2. What is the big difference between 105, Ultegra, and Dura Ace? Is it weight?

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  • http://bikenoob.wordpress.com Ray

    For me, it was price. I set a $1500 top end, and wound up getting a Specialized Allez Elite Compact for a little over $1300, including pedals (Shimano SPD-SL), a seat bag, and water bottle cages. The 2008s had 105 on the rear and Tiagra on the front, although I couldn’t tell much difference. I think the 2009 models are all 105, but the price went up. However, if I had shopped strictly by price, I could have gotten either Jamis or Felt bikes with slightly better equipment at different shops. So the shop was part of the equation, too. Mine came in Gerolsteiner colors, blue and black. I didn’t even think about color, although if I had it to do all over again, I would have gone for the red and black QuickStep combination they were selling at the time.

  • http://gtinla.wordpress.com Gerhard

    For me, it was price. When I decided to start riding again some 18 months ago I was not ready to invest thousands, not knowing if I would stick with it. In 2008 I bought a 2006 model from my LBS, full Carbon with Ultegra group except brakes. The Scattante CFR served me well, although it is not problem free.
    If I had to do it over again I would look for a smaller shop who carries brands I am interested in. Smaller, because I would want someone to spend time with me for a correct fit prior to buying the bicycle, and to remember me when I come back after the purchase. Quality components are key and money well spend, but I don’t need the top of the line. I can’t tell the difference between and Ultegra and a Dura Ace, but I know that the Ultegra is solid. My next bicycle will likely be in the 3K+ range (once I have a job again and can justify the expense). While you are looking I highly recommend to test ride some of the more expensive bikes, you will feel and understand why they cost more, but it will also help you in your decision what you want/need and what does not matter.

  • http://jeremybsmith.com Jeremy

    I’ve posted here before. I’ve been in and out of the industry for 12 years now.

    When I look for a new bike, I usually already know what I want from riding a lot of other bikes. I prefer high-end steel to pretty much everything on the road. Mountain, I start with the suspension technology and work from there.

    I don’t like cheap carbon. Evironmentally unsound still, and most affordable carbon is poorly made with little quality control or concern for consistency of ride. If you don’t care about externalized cost for workers or environment, and you don’t care about ride quality, then yes, go for cheap carbon over ti, aluminum, or steel.

    There’s good stuff on carbon production in this interview with Tony Ellsworth here:
    http://www.bikerumor.com/2009/02/23/how-i-roll-tony-ellsworth/
    and
    http://www.bikerumor.com/2009/07/07/spy-shots-ellsworth-enlightenment-26-full-carbon-mountain-bike/#more-6176

    As far as groups go, if I had to choose from Shimano’s line-up, I’d just go Ultegra. Every bit as good as Dura-Ace, but way less expensive. The upcharge from 105 is definitely worth it, and you’ll get most of that back in longevity.

    Everything I’ve had that was Shimano and below 105-level wore out or broke pretty quickly.

    My personal choice is used Campagnolo chorus or record 10-speed. Affordable, rebuildable, and well-proven.

  • http://jeremybsmith.com Jeremy

    I should also point out that I don’t mind buying a bare frame, and building up the bike myself, which greatly influences how I buy bikes.

  • http://springfieldcyclist.com/ Tracy

    I don’t think you’ll be sorry if you buy a bike with full 105 level componentry. They’re a decent value, a little heavier than Ultegra, not quite as nicely finished, and supposedly not quite as durable as the Ultegra. I’ve had 105 components on two road bikes and our tandem and they’ve always performed flawlessly for me.

    If I were buying a road bike right now, I would be looking at something in the $2k range. With that, I think you can get Ultegra, a decent wheelset and a choice of frames. Right now, I would probably lean toward a nice steel frame.

    With that said, I’m saving my pennies for a new commuting bike. At this point, the Masi Speciale Randonneur, priced at $1145 with bar-end shifters, 105′s and fenders will be the first bike I test ride, followed by a couple of cross bikes in a similar price range. It’s not what most folks would consider, but hey, I’ve got a good road bike!

  • http://blog.jasonkearney.net Jason Kearney

    I bought a new road bike this year. Instead of setting a limit on price from the start, I looked for the bike I wanted, then tried to build it so it would be affordable for me. I determined that the difference between the Madone 6.9 and 6.5 were not much, so I went with the 6.5. I had it built up with Ultegra, and saved a lot of money over SRAM Red. I spent some money, for sure, but the difference in weight and ride quality were worth it. I figured that I knew going in that I love cycling, having logged tens of thousands of miles, and so I didn’t mind spending some money to get quality. I am a much faster cyclist with the Madone than I was before, especially on the climbs.
    I agree Jeremy that the Ultegra is well worth it, but the Dura Ace is not.

  • http://lifeandbikes.blogspot.com/ LifeandBikes

    My biggest factor was frame stiffness and geometry at an affordable price. The CAAD9 met all these requirements and I’ve found the ride quality even better than my Allez Elite.

    I’m a believer that there is very little difference between well maintained 105 an Ultegra in terms of shift quality and feel. Of course SRAM Rival weighs less than Ultegra and costs the same as 105…

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  • JimmyNick

    As you move up from 105 to Ultegra to DA, you start seeing weight savings. But also, you find bearings instead of bushings, or better bearings, or shorter shift throws. Shifts get noticeably cleaner.
    I’m very partial to Ultegra and cannot justify the DA tag, esp. for the parts that wear out — cassettes, chains, chainrings. It’s a racket.
    Having said that, I’d add that unless you’re going to race or spend 10 hours a week on rolling terrain, odds are you’ll do just fine w/ 105.
    When I first bought, I figured, pay for the better components — framesets are somewhat generic. I bought a decent steel bike w/ full Ultegra. But it was a shade too small, and it beat me up on longer rides because it was very stiff. (Steel is NOT inherently compliant, as the mythmakers will have you believe. It depends on geometry and build. Steel is a stiffer metal than aluminum.)
    Then I got a carbon-fiber Bianchi 928 (mine’s no longer made). It’s 20% lighter, more compliant than my other bike and won’t rust. I’ve raced it and lost count of the wrecks. It is completely unfazed. (Another myth: Carbon breaks. Not very often — this is the 21st century, not the 20th.) Best part: I paid <$1,800 for it w/ Ultegra shift/brake levers, brakes and rear D; the rest was 105 except crappy, chain-dropping FSA crankset. (Note: I do know what a limit screw is. So does the best mechanic in town, and he couldn't get it to shift cleanly). Repl. that w/ Ultegra. Never a missed shift or dropped chain since, even under load.)
    Now I believe the opposite of my earlier conclusion: Buy the best frame you can afford — carbon or ti — and try to get it w/ Ultegra 10 shift/brake levers (or Rival). Then upgrade the rest to Ultegra as parts wear out.

  • http://bikingtolive.com Bryan

    Wow, tons of great feedback. I appreciate it. Cost of the bike is what’s going to determine what I’m going to be able to get. Unless I can find a good sale, I just don’t think I’m going to be able to swing a full Ultegra setup. Time will tell I guess. I’m going to keep my eye on Craigslist but finding the correct size is hard. I plan on heading to another local shop this weekend to see what they have and see if I can get a determination on what size I should be riding and if it has changed since I bought my last bike.

  • http://www.331miles.blogspot.com 331miles

    Bryan — you seem like a guy that wants to keep a bike for a long time. With that in mind, I suggest a high end steel frame. That will be my next bike, regardless of gruppo.

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